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ISPs will not be forced to disconnect file sharers

by Scott Bicheno on 28 January 2009, 11:13

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A dose of reality

The Times has reported an interview with intellectual property minister David Lammy, in which he revealed that the government is not going to legally oblige internet service providers (ISPs) to disconnect users who illegally share music and video files over the net.

It looks like Lammy has had a welcome dose of reality and realized that even if they did bring such a law in, it would be extremely difficult to enforce. "I'm not sure it's actually going to be possible," he said in the article.

Organisations like the BPI have been lobbying for measures, such as a ‘three strikes and you're out' policy, to be put in place for some time now. But the stumbling block remains enforcement.

Lammy went on to point out: "We can't have a system where we're talking about arresting teenagers in their bedrooms," He then embarked on a metaphor he presumably thought summed the matter up nicely: "People can rent a room in an hotel and leave with a bar of soap - there's a big difference between leaving with a bar of soap and leaving with the television."

Perhaps surprisingly, the metaphor has gathered traction, with one "senior figure" quoted in the article as saying: "The relative cost of stealing a bar of soap from an hotel might be small, but if it came to seven million people nicking the soap each year, which is what we have in the music industry, I'm sure that hotel chain would do something about it."

Moving swiftly on, we saw a more practical approach to tacking this problem from, of all people, the Monty Python team on Monday. The realisation that trying to use force in as unconstrained an environment as the Internet is futile seems to be catching on.

 



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Good news to be honest.

Glad to hear someone in government has sense.
I'd be amazed if the larger hotel chains didn't have 7million people nicking soap and other toiletries each year. A large Etap / Ibis type hotel can have several hundred rooms, giving the potential for tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of visitors each year. Spread across the huge number of hotels the group owns, that must add up…

Although as a metaphor it's a pretty poor one, so that's kinda moot…
It's a better anaology than you might think - the ‘loss’ of soap etc. is all paid for by increased hotel fees, so it's taken into account and hotels remain viable. We could do the same for whatever media is being illegally shared - just levy a flat charge on ISPs that covers the value of what's being stolen and distribute it to the media owners.

People who don't take soap from hotels don't complain that they are subsidising those that do, so maybe they won't for this idea either :)
kalniel
It's a better anaology than you might think - the ‘loss’ of soap etc. is all paid for by increased hotel fees, so it's taken into account and hotels remain viable. We could do the same for whatever media is being illegally shared - just levy a flat charge on ISPs that covers the value of what's being stolen and distribute it to the media owners.

People who don't take soap from hotels don't complain that they are subsidising those that do, so maybe they won't for this idea either :)
But then, if that's the case (and I'd be astonished if you were wrong about it), then the hotel ‘guest’ taking a bar of soap isn't stealing it, since he's paid for it in the room charge anyway. ;)

Besides, I'm absolutely sure hotel soap is about more than stolen bars. Whenever I stay in a hotel, soap is replaced with a fresh, wrapped bar every day, even if I'm booked in all week. Personally, I wouldn't be wildly impressed to find myself with the last guest's leftover soap (which wouldn't actually matter because I prefer to take my own and not use cheap hotel soap anyway) on the basis of the aesthetics. After all, you don't know where that soap has …. erm …. been. :D

So hotels, in my experience, replace soap with a small, individually wrapped bar every day regardless of occupancy, and I'm not convinced it's about stealing, either, or they wouldn't do it for every room, regardless of how much is left.

By the way, who are the sad individuals that actually want hotel soap?
That's why I put loss in inverted commas ;)

But hotels don't change everything, everyday, do they? Most places make the bed but only change the linen on a change of occupancy - they could do the same for soap too. That way you don't have someone elses left-overs, only your own.

And you've obviously missed out on the Hotel front if you've never found a soap you liked.. I've had some stunners ;)

I think ISP fees could be the best solution to the piracy problem - bad news for retail sales, but decriminalise net piracy, levy fees to generate revenue and distribute according to download rates. ISPs would start to distinguish packages based on usage - so you'd buy a ‘gamer’ or ‘pro-gamer’ package depending on amount of game downloads etc. Effectively turning games into a subscription based system not dissimilar to those publishers have been trying to push recently. Only without an easy way to avoid it illegitimately.